Hi, On Thu, Mar 14, 2019 at 03:10:05PM -0500, Omar wrote:
On 3/14/19 1:52 PM, Jonas Smedegaard wrote:
Quoting Jeremiah C. Foster (2019-03-14 18:57:44)
What do those folks on this mailing list think? Should we keep PureOS Green on Debian (Buster) Stable?
Above is strongly tied the related question of what to do about cravings for exciting new $stuff as Buster (non-)evolves to become steadily more boring over its multi-year lifespan.
I might give you another perspective from an intermediate user. What some of you 'OS nerds' ;) consider boring, I'm guessing the majority of our customers see it as a very functional, cool as-is tool to get things done. As long as privacy and security improvements don't get stagnant... And any customer that may be as advanced as you guys, will know the ways to make it un-boring :)
Do we...
a) Tell users to wait for it to become boring enough? b) Maintain a local fork as .deb in PureOS for each wish? c) Maintain a local flatpak for each wish? d) Tell users to include .deb/flatpack maintained elsewhere?
With a) I say yes let's do it. But I expect others in the company to not really want that option for several years, not even for enterprise users. Testing that is simple: Imagine PureOS being Stretch until 6 months from now (i.e. until Buster becomes boring _and_ we finish testing that it really truly is boring also with our adaptations).
With b) I say no: We lack manpower, procedures, and infrastructure to handle that - including security tracking but also other things.
Currently I doubt we'll be able to maintain just one baseline. So having a color track stable and another one testing (snapshots) makes sense to me. Yes this needs people and infrastructure but I don't think purism will scale out otherwise.
With c) I say that those responsible for flatpack maintenance need to evaluate when they are ready - including security tracking but also other things. Which implies that it is a no if PureOS team has that responsibility.
Flatpak doesn't handle things like updated drivers, system daemons etc so this will only work for a subset of problems at hand. In my simplistic world view flatpak solves the 'updated app" problem to some extend (which is a hard one by itself) but it doesn't help you with baseline updates - so it's rather on top of all the other alternatives.
Cheers, -- Guido
With d) I say no: It is irresponsible of us to point our users elsewhere.
- Jonas
- Omar
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